I seem to be on the verge of having a serious discussion with Pastor Benjamin J. Short. I’m moving the discussion here so we can break free from the 140 character limit.
BJ has made several points and I would like to collect my responses to them here. Then we can continue the discussion in the comments of this post.
BJ_Short: @almightygod just visited your webpage. I’m very curious how an atheist REALLY believes we came into existance. And what happens after death
almightygod: @BJ_Short We come from our mothers. After death we rot and are gone.
BJ_Short: @almightygod where did our mothers and their mothers come from? And where does our conscience come from?
BJ_Short: @almightygod How can biological matter spontaneously develop conscience?
almightygod: @BJ_Short How do you define conscience?
BJ_Short: @almightygod our God-given knowledge of His existance and our responsibilty to keep His law. As Psalm 40:8 says “thy law is within my heart”
almightygod: @BJ_Short Well, if you define it that way then there’s no such thing.
BJ_Short: @almightygod Interesting! What about emotions? Where does love and hate, joy and sorrow come from?Even the ability to believe or not?
almightygod: @BJ_Short We don’t need magic to explain emotions. They come from our brain which evolved.
BJ_Short: @almightygod from what?
almightygod: @BJ_Short Human brains evolved from simpler brains. And you can see simpler forms of emotion and morality in animals.
BJ_Short: @almightygod I’m asking about the beginning. Where’d love come from? Where did “simpler” brains come from? Why are we even here?
BJ_Short: @almightygod Who decides what’s right and wrong?
almightygod: @BJ_Short Does a mother dog show love when she cares for and defends her puppies?
almightygod: @BJ_Short People (voters, legislators, juries, communities) decide what’s right and wrong.
almightygod: @BJ_Short Do you really think people (and animals) wouldn’t cooperate unless someone magicked it into them?
BJ_Short: @almightygod do you really think it rained on the rocks for millions of years and now magically we exist and can see and speak and even love
BJ_Short: @almightygod do you really think nothing exploded and became everything?
almightygod: @BJ_Short Are we going to discuss the moral argument? Or the cosmological? I get dizzy when you switch back and forth.
Let’s begin with the cosmological argument. Reality-based humans are willing to admit that we don’t know exactly how the universe began. It is an area of ongoing study. The cosmological argument seeks to replace that admission of ignorance and dedication to discovery with an assertion that is backed up by no evidence and does nothing to help us discover the truth. Essentially, you look at a gap in our current knowledge and say “God did it.” There’s no evidence for this. It’s more useful to say “I don’t know, let’s try to find out.” That’s my response to the cosmological argument. If you want to pick up the moral argument, then please address the responses that I’ve already made.
I look forward to our continuing discussion.